{"id":100469,"date":"2015-02-24T08:38:51","date_gmt":"2015-02-24T13:38:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/today.uconn.edu\/?p=100469"},"modified":"2015-03-24T09:48:52","modified_gmt":"2015-03-24T13:48:52","slug":"philosopher-ponders-alien-minds-for-nasa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/today.uconn.edu\/2015\/02\/philosopher-ponders-alien-minds-for-nasa\/","title":{"rendered":"Philosopher Ponders \u2018Alien Minds\u2019 for NASA"},"content":{"rendered":"
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This infraredimage from NASA’s Spitzer Space Telescope shows the Helix nebula, a cosmic starlet often protographed by amateur astronomers for its vivid colors and eerie resemblance to a giant eye. (NASAA\/JPL-Caltech\/Univ. of Arizona)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Susan Schneider, associate professor of philosophy at the University of Connecticut (UConn), was invited last year to speak at a conference sponsored by NASA and the Library of Congress on astrobiology and preparing for the discovery of life beyond Earth. Her remarks, titled \u201cAlien Minds,\u201d were drawn from her research and writings on the computational nature of the brain, and new work in philosophy on superintelligence. Her basic premise is that the most advanced alien civilizations would likely be forms of artificial intelligence (A.I.).<\/em><\/p>\n

How did a philosopher receive an invitation to speak to a group of astrobiologists at a NASA event?<\/strong><\/p>\n

NASA was interested in a piece I had written for the New York Times<\/em> titled \u201cThe Philosophy of Her\u201d about uploading the brain. It was based on the story in the Spike Jonze film, \u201cHer,\u201d which is about a romantic relationship between a human being and an ultra-intelligent computer program. NASA had asked me to speak on the speculative topic of what alien minds could be like. This is not something I\u2019d thought about before, frankly, but I took a NASA workshop invitation seriously. I tried to bring new ideas to the table. There were a lot of distinctly philosophical problems to raise because philosophers have for decades been debating whether A.I. can be conscious, whether it can think and how it would think. I got the pleasure of learning some astrobiology, and meeting with some of the finest astrobiologists in the country.<\/p>\n

Would the first alien contact be with something more artificial than biological?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I actually think the first discovery of life on other planets will probably involve microbial life; I am concentrating on intelligent life in my work on this topic though. I only claim that the most advanced civilizations will likely be post biological. Several other well-known members of the astrobiology community have also argued for this, such as Paul Davies, Seth Shostak, and Steven Dick, although they didn\u2019t discuss the new topic of superintelligence. If the astrobiologists are right that there are a lot of planets capable of giving rise to life, then given the fact that Earth is a lot younger than most planets\u2014we\u2019re galactic babies\u2014it\u2019s likely that these creatures have already reached beyond human intelligence through altering their biological natures. Consider the situation on Earth. Computer speed seems to be doubling every year or so. We\u2019re now seeing people in computer science saying that A.I. is on the horizon. I think A.I. could eventually be smarter than us and that humans might begin to alter their own thinking using silicon-based aids. Given the older, more advanced level of other civilizations relative to Earth, they might now be vastly smarter insofar as they survived their technological maturity.<\/p>\n

If artificial intelligence can be conscious, what form can it take?<\/strong><\/p>\n

It will likely be \u201csuperintelligent A.I.\u201d There is currently a lot of discussion in the media and among A.I. specialists and philosophers about the possibility of A.I. becoming \u201csuperintelligent,\u201d that is, advancing to a level of intelligence that outperforms humans in every domain such as social intelligence, mathematical reasoning, etc. These discussions have largely been about the genesis of superintelligence on Earth. Nick Bostrom, the head of the Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford recently wrote an important book on this topic: Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Stategies<\/em>. I argued that the most advanced alien civlizations would likely be superintelligent A.I.<\/p>\n

But it is controversial to claim that A.I. can be conscious, as I do. The topic of consciousness is a traditional subject in philosophy of mind. Philosophers frequently consider whether A.I. can be conscious because it\u2019s not biological. Our best science suggests that a silicon-based system, like a robot, could be conscious if it was sophisticated enough. I\u2019m not a chemist but it looks like we can set up situations where artificial silicon-based neurons can communicate with regular neurons and mimic properties of neurons. Silicon is widely distributed throughout the universe and for many reasons, it may be a superior medium for information processing. It seems like it could be used on other planets. We\u2019ll never be able to definitively rule out the possibility that even though a computer may look like it is conscious\u2014say, an android that\u2019s very sophisticated and conscious like the Data character in Star Trek\u2014it may not be the case. It could convince us that it\u2019s conscious and has experience but has no inner life. It may just be involved in computation with no mental life because there\u2019s something special about our biology that is responsible for the fact that we feel at this moment awake and alive. That view is called \u201cbiological naturalism.\u201d I opposed that view in print, in the sense that I don\u2019t see any scientific evidence for it. In a sense, we can never really definitively rule out this possibility though. Consciousness is something experienced from the inside. Our vast universe may contain intelligence that is not conscious, but it is unlikely.<\/p>\n

Your discussion about uploading the brain because it functions like a computer brings up all kinds of issues.
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\nPhilosophers love thought experiments. Would you be able to upload your brain, and transfer your consciousness to a computer, as Johnny Depp\u2019s character did in the film \u201cTranscendence\u201d? There is a lot of good science fiction on this, such as Robert Sawyer\u2019s Mindscan<\/em>. The protagonist is this poor guy who has a brain tumor and he decides he\u2019s going to live forever by uploading his brain. He wakes up, but he\u2019s still on the scanning table. His mind failed to transfer! All kind of legal and ethical issues abound because he\u2019s already signed away all of his possessions to his clone, and his clone insists he is the original.<\/p>\n

You also raise the serious question of the risks to humans from superintelligence as noted in the recent book Superintelligence<\/em> by the Swedish philosopher Nick Bostrom. What are some of the concerns?<\/strong><\/p>\n

People like Bill Gates, Elon Musk of Space X and Telsa Motors, Max Tegmark at MIT and Stephen Hawking have been making public comments about the dangers of superintelligent A.I. because they\u2019ve been reading Nick Bostrom\u2019s book. The book discusses the \u201cControl Problem;\u201d the problem of how you create A.I. that will work to ensure the survival of humanity and not inadvertently destroy humanity. Bostrom uses the example a machine that decides that all it wants to do is create paperclips and in the process uses human cells and destroys humanity.<\/p>\n

This type of scenario raises lots of questions about the Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI). What could happen if there is contact with alien superintelligence?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Both Seth Shostak [director of the SETI Institute] and myself suspect that superintelligence is not going to be that interested visiting us because we will be of such lesser intelligence\u2014would you really cross the universe to interact with an ant? What could we offer superintelligent aliens? So I don\u2019t think an \u201cIndependence Day\u201d scenario is likely to happen. But there was just a conference at the SETI Institute about Active SETI, the project to actively send signals out into space, rather than merely listen for signals. Shostak is a proponent of Active SETI, and wants to beam the entire Internet into outer space! I don\u2019t think that\u2019s a good idea. My view is that even if the chance is 1 percent that a superintelligence could be harmful for reasons Bostrom outlined, we still shouldn\u2019t do it. We don\u2019t know what could be out there.<\/p>\n

Does it surprise you that there has been a lot of media interest in your NASA presentation?<\/strong><\/p>\n

The general public is interested in life\u2019s mysteries: is there life on other planets? Is there anything after we die? Can science really explain everything? I find this wonderful.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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